This is a quote from the special talk from 'Undisfellowshiped'. "WE, yes WE are going to see the FULFILLMENT of the destruction of the 'Man of Lawlessness'!" Please, can anyone fill me in on the details surrounding and regarding this? By the way, please read the thread about the special talk, it's crazy! The WTBTS extremist tactics have never changed, even now. be wise.
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SPECIAL TALK - 'Man of Lawlessness'
by be wise inthis is a quote from the special talk from 'undisfellowshiped'.
"we, yes we are going to see the fulfillment of the destruction of the 'man of lawlessness'!
" please, can anyone fill me in on the details surrounding and regarding this?
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What are the benifits of DA? Should I DA?
by zucker ini'm wondering if i should just "come out of the closet" and tell my family i don't believe it anymore and da myself or don't make any noise and fade out?
what are the benefits or problems with either choice?
additionally, some have expressed concern over da.
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I totally understand where you are coming from. I felt this way myself when I was going to DA myself. I still do feel the way about the society that you described, how couldn't anyone with half a brain. I just came to the conclusion that the society never taught Gods beliefs so they can't judge me on their own standards, they have no authority to do so. That opinion was just mine, though.
I'm glad you made the decision you did, it was obviously the right one - YOURS.
'FREE MINDS'
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What are the benifits of DA? Should I DA?
by zucker ini'm wondering if i should just "come out of the closet" and tell my family i don't believe it anymore and da myself or don't make any noise and fade out?
what are the benefits or problems with either choice?
additionally, some have expressed concern over da.
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Just a question, Warrigal.
When did you ever dedicate yourself to the WTBTS.
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I feel good!
by be wise inover the last few days i've felt a bit mixed up.
i wrote my story for dansk's campaign and it brought a lot of my jw experience back again.
i also talked to my parents about it last night, about everything i learned so its been quite a storm in my familys wbts little teacup.
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...believe it or not I actually got through to my hardcore JW mother the other night. This was after my initial 'discussion' about it the other day.
I told her I was researching russell. I showed her what I had found out later, the whole story and showed her the photgraphs of his burial site on the [satanic!] web. She knew a lot about the pyramid already but was surprised when I showed her his memorial, the real thing, cos it is quite shocking at first, a giant pyramid. She knew I was genuine because I found out that the symbol on the pyramid was actually christian not masonic and the reason why the masonic building was right next to it. So she knew I wasn't a crazy apostate because I told her the truth about it.
I also told her how the apostate thing is a load of exagerated rubbish peddalled by the society. When I showed her the web site that rediculas view point of the society went straight out of the window cos she saw it for real, not just by hearding some bullshit slander coming from the KM or whatever. I said, a lot still believe in the bible and definately don't hate JW's. I said I know I'm not alone in the way I feel about them because I talk to people every day about it and they feel the same way.
Well, she went away actually thinking, it was very weird, I have never seen her like that, it wasn't major but it was something, ecspecially for a hardcore JW. Now I'm doing the research I'm getting her to think and she tallks to me about it in a way she never did before.
I don't think she'll ever leave but for me this is a result.
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What are the benifits of DA? Should I DA?
by zucker ini'm wondering if i should just "come out of the closet" and tell my family i don't believe it anymore and da myself or don't make any noise and fade out?
what are the benefits or problems with either choice?
additionally, some have expressed concern over da.
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Zucker,
I asked exactly the same question just the other week.
I’ve already done a slow fade out but I was thinking of cutting my ties completely because the organisation has began to disgust me [I started doing research on it. Also I learned from other posters that I wasn’t the only one who was affected in a very bad way but there were loads of others like me.
I decided not to do it after getting advice here and thinking it over. Why do it on their terms? They claim to be God’s only true organisation but they’re nothing, zilch and zero all at the same time, they just don’t want you to know it and they don’t like it when you do.
It’s like the father who thinks he can control his children and wife only on his terms, what he doesn’t realise is that when they get old enough and can think for themselves his ideals will be dropped like a hot potato and they will be out if they have any sense.
Don’t give them the satisfaction! You're not admitting defeat, you are now simply able to enjoy your life free of the WTBTS. If God exists, he still views you the same as always. Don’t be brainwashed into their way of thinking.
I'd say chew it over before making any decisions and then decide for yourself and what’s best for you.
All the best,
be wise.
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confused teenage witness
by smias03 inhi everyone, this is my first post.. i have come to this site for almost 2 months but have been too scared to post... don't really know what i'm scared of but i even set up a different hotmail account when i registered... anyway, i'm a 19/f who was raised a jw (baptised a year ago).
i was homeschooled, and basically had no communication with the "world" even though my father is an unbeliever.
my parents were divorced last year (unscriptual divorce from my jw mother).. and now i'm living with my dad and have not spoken to my mom, not because i have doubts about the truth (she doesn't know) but because she was a hypocrit and liar through the divorce.
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Smias, glad you have made it here.
It already proves a lot to the kind of determination you have.
I felt exactly the way you did as a JW. I’ve only been posting on this site for a matter of months but I stopped going to the meeting at about 18 years old I’m now 23. I’m glad you found JWD so soon; it will be of great help to you.
Try and start afresh in your mind. Just take things at your own pace and always question, everything.
I lost all contact with JW’s. The best thing I did was starting Music College. I was extremely shy, but when your told to sing in front of a room full of strangers you kinda have to get used to it after a while and you realise nobody really cares or is judging you anyway. I still am in a lot of ways but I don't let it hold me back. I was shy through lack of experience of life, nothing more, the WTBTS crippled my personal development. I can come across as really confident because I am learning but in situations that are new to me I can't.
You obviously have confidence in your true self or you wouldn’t be here. You won’t believe how much you will now change if you take the advice you have received from posters even if it's just a small part of it …I told you, but it’s true. It doesn’t take a miracle just a steady slog; don’t give up.
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Why care about friends left behind?
by ashitaka ina couple of days ago there was a fuenral at the hall for a gentleman who was the grandfather of my former best jw friend.
this was a kind old man, who i had enjoyed talking to; a real sweet guy.. yet, when it came time for the funeral talk, i couldn't bring myself to go.
everyone (including this old gentleman) had abandoned me (besides my family) when i had left the jws (not df'd).
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I'm going to a funeral this week, it's an elderly woman who I didn't know very well but she was very kind to us when I was very young.
I've thought about going to the KH service, I even posted here asking for advice.
Now I've thought about it I don't need closure at a KH service to pay my respects to her.
I will try very hard to attend the burial service in the cemetary. It is far away and I don't have transport but I will definately pay my respects to her memory not a religious cult.
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Charlses T Russell, WTBTS man?
by be wise ini have been researching charles t russell.
i'm just getting a bit disatisfied of hearsay one way or another.
i have basically found out that the chances of him being a freemason are divided by a lot of confusion.
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This was a question to separate the WTBTS teaching from the bible or Jesus teaching, which it is to often confused by JW's. They think because they’ve got their own translation of the bible and a load of books on these matters they accept that the WTBTS teachings as being from God not the GB men who study it and apply there own ideas.
What would you think if someone walked up to you in the main street and said, "be my follower"? There's every chance we would have thought him a nut as many then did.
I’m not religious, anymore but I like to think as you do. Lets assume this is just a story in a book nothing more Didn’t Jesus perform miracles? This must have convinced some people. Although, saying that the supernatural was more commonly accepted fact then, I think. So where did this power come from, people would have questioned this all the time? Some would have thought the Devil some God. People would have hated him because of the claims he made. Religious leaders definitely would have. The Christian congregation that resulted was so far from what he taught if you look at it from an objective point of view and don't treat it with fanatisism. It was self-righteous, absolute, separated from society. [He said ‘you must be no part of the 'world’, but this could mean anything.] Also, how literally should we take the bible? I know for a fact that when people do they are just unreasonable and at some stage just lose their head up their own ass. Do they miss the true meaning of it? The Pharisees made such a big deal about following the law, that it became a joke and ritualistic, like the WTBTS today. The difference the Pharisees were a religious organization where as Jehovah’s Witnesses are a harmful organisation that uses cult like methods.
To follow him would mean becoming a laughing stock to your peers and your family, and linking yourself to a ridiculed minority. You would be totally at odds with the established religion of the time/area, and what's more Jesus would send you out to preach from house to house and city to city that you were the only ones with "truth" and they didn't have a hope in hell unless they converted!
Doesn't sound that much different to being a dub.
No, it doesn’t, but all religious cults are essentially the same.
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Charlses T Russell, WTBTS man?
by be wise ini have been researching charles t russell.
i'm just getting a bit disatisfied of hearsay one way or another.
i have basically found out that the chances of him being a freemason are divided by a lot of confusion.
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Sorry, must have got my wires crossed. I will be looking into the rest of the GB as soon as I've looked into Russell in a bit more depth. It's amazing to find out the beliefs these people had, I mean you hear about them very briefly but when you start looking into it yourself it's really fascinating. It really opens your eyes regarding this squeaky-clean image of an organisation that they so sadly try to portray.
Also, I’ve heard that the structure of this organisation has changed dramatically at some point with the GB. This doesn't surprise me. I think the image of the organisation and the propaganda status of it has been taken way to far. They've always claimed divine inspiration or should I carefully word that 'guidance' which in my opinion is very wrong.
Old timer JW's know their bible more often than not, and some knew when to choose to ignore the GB, why they stayed I can’t understand [way of life, family etc I suppose] while the new breed don't know shit but go along with whatever they're told and are manipulated and brainwashed into following the ideas of the GB. They have been lied to and deceived for the organisations own twisted view that they are doing a 'sifting work'. Gimme a break ..a sifting work. Also, they scare their members into submission through fear and guilt and are so caught up in the technicalities of the bible that they miss its true meaning [sound like anyone?]. Take the ever-changing stance on blood. It is rediculas that the WTBTS is getting so bogged down by such techniqual teachings; its followers often don’t know what to believe, it’s policies change from one moment to the next, but they leave it up to the GB, wide open mouthed, to feed them like children with no thought process of there own [even the hardcore-know their bible JW’s fall for this one]. And it has serious implications as people die as a result!
I wonder what Jesus would make of this society if he existed today?